Bill Meltzer: Wrapup: Flyers Let Point Slip Away in 3-2 SO Loss to Ottawa

Bill..Any logical reason from your perspective for 2 shifts of PEB and READ in OT but no TK, Schenn, Provorov. I understand two of those players are rookies but I would rather take a chance with them and their talent.

Three straight unsuccessful power play opportunities early in the third period, a late third-period wraparound goal and a 0-for-5 showing in the shootout forced the Philadelphia Flyers to settle for two points on a night were a regulation victory seemed well within reach.

Bill..Any logical reason from your perspective for 2 shifts of PEB and READ in OT but no TK, Schenn, Provorov. I understand two of those players are rookies but I would rather take a chance with them and their talent.
- opeth_pa

TK is not reliable enough defensively yet to handle the responsibilities of 3-on-3. At some point, he'll be a fixture but not one month into his pro career. Schenn is more of a grind-it-out player and is not particularly well suited to 3-on-3. I suspect Provorov, as he gains experience, will be a 3-on-3 regular.

'Forced the Flyers to settle for 2 points?'

Wouldnt it be 1 for the SO loss?

- Mononoke

- Mordecai

Schenn is more of a grind-it-out player and is not particularly well suited to 3-on-3
- bmeltzer

The same could be said for Coots (gets a pass as only other center worth sending out) and Simmer though, couldn't it Bill? In fact, I'd say that Schenn has more raw puck skills than Wayne, even Coots. While Schenn may be a grind-it-our player at times, his skill level is pretty high too. I'm just not sure what Read and PEB are if Schenn is a grind-it-out guy who isn't well suited for OT.

The same could be said for Coots (gets a pass as only other center worth sending out) and Simmer though, couldn't it Bill? In fact, I'd say that Schenn has more raw puck skills than Wayne, even Coots. While Schenn may be a grind-it-our player at times, his skill level is pretty high too. I'm just not sure what Read and PEB are if Schenn is a grind-it-out guy who isn't well suited for OT.
- Mononoke

It's a bit worrisome to me that, the only time they seem to score in OT is when Giroux, Voracek or Gostisbehere is on the ice. That's where I'd like to see Konecny get more of a look.

In fact, the past two seasons, outside of those 3, only two other guys have OT goals: Matt Read and Michael Del Zotto

It's a bit worrisome to me that, the only time they seem to score in OT is when Giroux, Voracek or Gostisbehere is on the ice. That's where I'd like to see Konecny get more of a look.

In fact, the past two seasons, outside of those 3, only two other guys have OT goals: Matt Read and Michael Del Zotto
- Jsaquella

Jesus, I had no idea it was this bad. How could Hakstol not know this? It all smacks of playing to not lose. Don't get scored on, which is akin to saying don't take any chances to score either, so that the Big Boys can get rested and do everything. That factoid needs to be more widely circulated in Flyerdom.

I think Konecny should absolutely be getting OT time, but I do mildly understand Hakstol's reservations defensively. But 3 on 3 defense is much different. It's just a pure skill and speed fest. Provorov tonight had a whale of a game and Streit was pretty dog poop again. Streit cannot be relied on defensively at all. And yet, which one gets minutes in OT? Streit. I don't think it has anything to do with defense. I think Hakstol just prefers the college seniors, who in his eyes are "reliable." Provorov is reliable as (frank) haha. I don't get it.

One step closer to a firing.

Couturier is basically a golden boy. Curious how long that lasts.

The line mates excuse is gone for the king of weak goals.

- Landsbergfan

The same could be said for Coots (gets a pass as only other center worth sending out) and Simmer though, couldn't it Bill? In fact, I'd say that Schenn has more raw puck skills than Wayne, even Coots. While Schenn may be a grind-it-our player at times, his skill level is pretty high too. I'm just not sure what Read and PEB are if Schenn is a grind-it-out guy who isn't well suited for OT.
- Mononoke

Schenn doesn't create offense on his own. (frank) i hate him. 5mil a year and he already makes me regret it

Game had all the usual elements. Late third period blown lead, soft goal, ineptitude in the shootout.
Been watching this for a decade +

TK is not reliable enough defensively yet to handle the responsibilities of 3-on-3. At some point, he'll be a fixture but not one month into his pro career. Schenn is more of a grind-it-out player and is not particularly well suited to 3-on-3. I suspect Provorov, as he gains experience, will be a 3-on-3 regular.
- bmeltzer

Fair enough and thanks as always!!
It just seems to me that is playing not to lose vs playing to win.

I'd use the following in OT:

Ghost-G-Jake
Streit-TK-Coots
Provorov-Schenn-Simmonds

TK is not reliable enough defensively yet to handle the responsibilities of 3-on-3. At some point, he'll be a fixture but not one month into his pro career. Schenn is more of a grind-it-out player and is not particularly well suited to 3-on-3. I suspect Provorov, as he gains experience, will be a 3-on-3 regular.
- bmeltzer

Not buying their response re Konecny. He is quick and skilled which is exactly what you want in 3 on 3 OT. Hak needs to be more aggressive, especially when you factor in their success rate in shootouts

Schenn is a very good player and is very versatile playing wing or center and seems to do well regardless of line mates. One of the few guys who consistently wins board battles and creates offensive pressure with ability to protect puck and can deliver big hits. Puts his body on The line to make the play and gives 100% every shift. Can't understand why fans try to make him the whipping boy. Every team has a guy they blame but he is not the reason for poor start.

Another soft goal.

It's getting old that every game there is at least one.

For two guys playing for contracts, right now it looks like neither one should be resigned.

One step closer to a firing.
- flyer_nutter

7-7-3 is not a firing in the making

Game had all the usual elements. Late third period blown lead, soft goal, ineptitude in the shootout.
Been watching this for a decade +
- PLindbergh31

cant really disagree with any of that. Soft goals are getting out of hand. Nothing to loose at all by giving A.S. a start.

7-7-3 is not a firing in the making
- dragonoffrost

Especially if they had "half decent" goaltending ... They could very well be 10-4-3

Another soft goal.

It's getting old that every game there is at least one.

For two guys playing for contracts, right now it looks like neither one should be resigned.
- J35Bacher

How many saves did Mason make before that soft goal. Which also could be laid at the feet of Manning not pinching Turris to the boards before he went behind the net. Manning had an angle on him for enough time to lock him down but chose not to.

This game was a team failure 0 for 4 on the power play. 0 for 5 in the shoot out. Mase played well enough to win. He got little help from the top 2 lines.

Schenn is a very good player and is very versatile playing wing or center and seems to do well regardless of line mates. One of the few guys who consistently wins board battles and creates offensive pressure with ability to protect puck and can deliver big hits. Puts his body on The line to make the play and gives 100% every shift. Can't understand why fans try to make him the whipping boy. Every team has a guy they blame but he is not the reason for poor start.
- tocchettough

I'm with you.. based on this season right now so far would rather seen Schenn and TK out there in OT before PEB, Read and to this point Coots.